More Playtesting

So I played the BA list against IronFrontALex's CSM.

He had:
Kharn
Bile
8 PM, 2 Plasma
10 CSM, 1 Melta, IoCG, Rhino
2x9 CSM, Flamer, IoCG, Rhino
4x5 Lesser Daemons
2x2 Oblits
10 Havocs, 3 Autocannons, ML, IoCG

Dawn of War Annihilation.

Long story short,nothing happened until turn 3 when I opened a Rhino and charged a CSM squad, the PM, and 2 squads of lessers with the Libby and his Terms and the AMs. At that point, he pretty much gave up. I killed another Rhino, his havocs, and a squad of Oblits. He killed a Razorback and was about to wipe the AMs and their Priest when he conceded.

I was able to control Kharn's Rhino all game even though he dropped it on the table in DoW and went first. The one time when EArmor would have helped, he didn't have it, lol. Yet more proof that dedicated assault units need Raiders for CSM. =P

Playtesting...

So I played a game with the BA list on Vassal.

Lysander
5 Ass Terms, Godhammer Raider
5 Ass Terms
5 Outflanking Scouts
4 MG/MM Tac squads, 2 in Rhinos, 2 in Pods
Typhoon

He fed me stuff piecemeil and I ate it up. He got 3 KPs (including a lucky lascannon shot that killed a Raider). I got 6 by the bottom of 3.

I retreated from midfield and turtled. He couldn't touch me.

Corbulo ended the game after turn 5 =)

ICB's Boston Brawl List

OK, so since I am poor and have no money to finish my Guard army in time for the Boston Brawl, I'm going to be bringing Euraldius's Black Templars counting as Blood Angels.

Libby, Unleash Rage, FotDark
100
Reclusiarch
130
6 Assault Terminators, 2 Thammers
250
LRC, MM, Searchlight
261
5 Assault Terminators, 2 Thammers
210
LRC, MM, Searchlight
261
Sanguinary Priest, Corbulo, Sanguinary Priest, JP
230
Assault Squad, Melta, Las/Plasback, Searchlight
166
Assault Squad, Melta, Las/Plasback, Searchlight
166
Assault Squad, 2 Melta, PF
225

1999

The Libby is going to be the Emperor's Champion. Unleash Rage shows that he's really really (x2) badass and FotDark shows that he's really really (x2) scary. =D

Sanguinary Priests are going to be "lesser" Chappies, their firey rhetoric inspiring their brothers to ignore all but the most grievous of injuries.

Everything else will be playing itself =D

Chaos has autocannons too. Too bad they suck.

So as requested by someone in the last thread, a CSM list featuring 3 units of min Terms with Reapers. Oh boy. So to complement the borderline trolling, here's a CSM list that really wants to be a Guard one.

DP, MoN, Wings, WT
175
DP, MoN, Wings, WT
175
3 Terms, Reaper
115
3 Terms, Reaper
115
3 Terms, Reaper
115
5 PMs, 2 Melta, Rhino
170
5 PMs, 2 Melta, Rhino
170
5 PMs, 2 Melta, Rhino
170
5 PMs, 2 Melta, Rhino
170
7 Havocs, 4 Autocannons, Rhino
220
7 Havocs, 4 Autocannons, Rhino
220
7 Havocs, 4 Autocannons
185

2000

Whee! Wasn't that fun? =P

What next?

OK, so I can't think of anything to really write about :P

Sue me.

So what do you guys want to see here?

Orminah's List Thread

Orminah from Vassal wants some list help, so I'm going to be breaking down his list here.

Wolf Lord,Frost Blade, Runic Armor, Stormshield, Saga of the Bear
210
9 Grey Hunters, Melta, PF, Standard, MotW, Rhino, X Armor
240
10 Grey Hunters, Melta, PF, Standard, MotW, Rhino, X Armor
255
Land Speeder Typhoon
90
Land Speeder Typhoon
90
5 Longfangs, 4 MLs
115
1000
OK, So I like this list in general.

The Wolf Lord needs to get his ass out of that Rhino and onto a TWolf.

The GHunters are overburdened with upgrades. PFs are unecessary, so is Xarmor.

There aren't enough Long Fangs.

So:
Wolf Lord, Frost Blade, Sshield, Warrior Born, Twolf, Runic Armor, Wolf Tail Talisman
260
10 Grey Hunters, 2 Melta, Standard, MotW, Rhino
210
10 Grey Hunters, 2 Melta, Standard, MotW, Rhino
210
Typhoon
90
Typhoon
90
6 Longfangs, 5 MLs
140

1000

OK, so his list at 1500:

Wolf Lord, Frost Blade, Sshield, Bear
190
RP, Murderous, Stormcaller
100
5 Wolf Guard, 1 Terminator w/ Cyclone, 3 Combimelta/PF
210
8 Ghunters, Melta, PF, Standard, MotW, Rhino, Xarmor
225
8 Ghunters, Melta, PF, Standard, MotW, Rhino, Xarmor
225
8 Ghunters, Melta, PF, Standard, MotW, Rhino, Xarmor
225
Typhoon
90
5 Longfangs, 4 MLs
115
5 Longfangs, 4 MLs
115

1495

HQ turns from chump into SW Super Rape machine.

RP switches for useful powers to go with the Long Fangs. Chooser is awesome.

Ghunters drop the crappy upgrades.

Max out Long Fangs.

Wolf Lord, Frost Blade, Sshield, Warrior Born, Twolf, Runic Armor, Wolf Tail Talisman
260
RP, JotWW, Living Lightning, Chooser
100
10 Grey Hunters, 2 Melta, Standard, MotW, Rhino
210
10 Grey Hunters, 2 Melta, Standard, MotW, Rhino
210
10 Grey Hunters, 2 Melta, Standard, MotW, Rhino
210
Typhoon
90
6 Longfangs, 3 MLs, 2 HBs
140
6 Longfangs, 5 MLs
140
6 Longfangs, 5 MLs
140

1500

And finally at 2000:

Wolf Lord, Frost Blade, Runic Armor, Sshield, Bear
210
RP, Runic Armor, Hurricane, Stormcaller
120
Wolf Priest, Wolf Tail Talisman
105
5 Wolf Guard, Termie/Cyclone, 3 Combi/PF
210
8 Grey Hunters, Melta, PF, Standard, MotW, Rhino, Xarmor
225
8 Grey Hunters, Melta, PF, Standard, MotW, Rhino, Xarmor
225
8 Grey Hunters, Melta, PF, Standard, MotW, Rhino, Xarmor
225
Typhoon
90
Typhoon
90
Typhoon
90
6 Longfangs, 5 MLs
140
6 Longfangs, 5 MLs
140
6 Longfangs, 5 MLs
140

2010

Turns into:

Wolf Lord, Frost Blade, Sshield, Warrior Born, Twolf, Runic Armor, Wolf Tail Talisman, 2 Wolves
280
RP, JotWW, Living Lightning, Chooser
110
10 Grey Hunters, 2 Flamer, Standard, MotW, Rhino
205
10 Grey Hunters, 2 Melta, Standard, MotW, Rhino
210
10 Grey Hunters, 2 Melta, Standard, MotW, Rhino
210
10 Grey Hunters, 2 Melta, Standard, MotW, Rhino
210
2 MM/ HF Speeders
140
Typhoon
90
Typhoon
90
6 Longfangs, 5 MLs, Rhino
175
6 Longfangs, 5 MLs
140
6 Longfangs, 5 MLs
140

2000

The Priest can hijack the LF Rhino. Or it can just provide cover for the Wolf Lord. Whatever.

General things: the Wolf Guard aren't great outside of the 3 w/ combis build.
Wolf Lords do better on Twolves.
Wolf Priests do better on the shelf.

Yet more BA.

So I really like this codex. It's cool. So another list Incoming! (e-cookie for easy reference).

Libby, Rage, Shield, Infernus Pistol
115
5 Assault Terms, 2 TH/SS
210
LRC, MM
260
2 Sanguinary Priests
100
Furioso Libby, Lance, Wings
175
Assault Squad, Melta, Las/Plas Razor
165
Assault Squad, Melta, Las/Plas Razor
165
Assault Squad, Melta, Las/Plas Razor
165
Baal Pred
115
Baal Pred
115
7 Vanguard, Sgt PF, Infernus Pistol, PW, SS
215
Stormraven, MM
200

2000

Vanguard and Terms can go in either the LRC or the Raven. Libby can go with either.

I would have another Terminator squad in place of the Vanguard...but the Raven is nowhere near as survivable as a Raider.

So I'm dropping it down the target list by putting Vanguard in it-it's where they'll usually go. Here's why Vanguard:

Grenades. They can reliably charge something in cover without needing the Frag Launchers on the Crusader for help.
Slots. I want a Furioso Libby for more hood coverage. I need Sanguinary Priests to make my dedicated assault troops awesome. 1 Assault Term squad and...oops, out of slots.
Furious Charge. Khorne Berzerkers? Anyone? But with more "ignore armor save" weaponry and the ability to pop transports.

Now why not Death Company? If the single Raven gets lit up like a Christmas tree (though you can mitigate this) I don't want a bunch of my army drooling towards a nearby Land Speeder.